The Silver Bowl:1785 July 29

1785 July 29

Deed: 375-10-247623

NOTE: I have found it immensely challenging to tease out the relationships mentioned in this deed and others that are seemingly connected to it. I still don’t feel that I have it all sorted out. Perhaps when more such deeds are found, the truth will become clearer and many of my current suppositions will be turned on their heads.

From this deed, we know that a William OLIVER, an Andrew OLIVER and a John OLIVER were brothers. So far, so good.
Since there was both a Rev. Andrew OLIVER mentioned and another Andrew OLIVER as well, which one was the brother was confusing to me. It now seems clear after studying this deed that the Rev Andrew OLIVER is not one of the aforementioned brothers. I note that after the line where the two brothers of William are named as “Andrew OLIVER & John OLIVER” then in the next line, Rev Andrew, Andrew & John are mentioned.
For some time, I had been confused by portions of a deed in January 20, 1807 that I had transcribed. DEED:580-365-398643 describes a 1776 will of a William OLIVER which also mentions his nephews William OLIVER of Tullamore and Andrew OLIVER of Enniskillen. I am now guessing that this Andrew OLIVER is more likely to be the son of the clerk Rev. Andrew OLIVER.
Since according to this deed, this William OLIVER died as a bachelor intestate, I take this to mean that there was no will, and therefore any William OLIVERs who had a will probated about this time is NOT him. If this is the case, then the William OLIVER who made a will in 1776 that also refers to lands in to Tullysarren (SEE: January 20, 1807 DEED 580-365-398643), is a different William OLIVER and is likely the one “of Mullinture” for whom a will was probated in 1779.
James OLIVER is a mystery – he gets the lands of Tullysarren (the townland beside Mullinture), but that’s all we know. It may be that he has a son named John – just to confound us. I would suspect he is another brother of the bachelor William OLIVER.

To the register appointed for the public registering of all deeds conveyances and so forth

A memorial of a deed of mortgage by Lease and release bearing date respectively the twenty eighth and twenty ninth days of July in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty five between the Reverend Andrew OLIVER[1] of Enniskillen[2] in the County of Fermanagh Clk Andrew OLIVER[3] of Newtownhamilton in the County of Armagh, Gent and John OLIVER[4] of Tullymore[5] in said county of Armagh Gent of the one part and James OLIVER[6] of Aghsebrach[7] in said county of Armagh gent of the other part. Wherein is recited that William OLIVER[8] of Mullintur[9] in said county of Armagh being seized in the townland of Tullysaron[10] in said county of Armagh devised the same to the said Reverend Andrew OLIVER and William OLIVER[11] share and share alike and also that said William OLIVER died a bachelor intestate whereby his share in said lands descended to his two brothers the said Andrew OLIVER and John OLIVER and said release witness that the said Reverend Andrew OLIVER Andrew OLIVER and John OLIVER in consideration of the sum of one hundred thirty pounds eleven shillings and a penny halfpenny to them in hand paid by the said James OLIVER did grant bargain sell alien release and confirm unto the said James OLIVER his heirs and assigns All that and those the town lands of Tullysaron formally in the possession of Samuel KNIPE deceased Situate lying and being in the Manor of Charlemont[12] and County of Armagh and all the Estate right title & Interest claim and demand whatsoever of them that the said Reverend Andrew OLIVER Andrew OLIVER and John OLIVER of in to or out of the said premises to have and to hold all the said released premises onto the said James OLIVER his heirs and assigns forever Subject to redemption on payment of the sum of one hundred thirty two pounds eleven shillings and a penny halfpenny with legal interest on the first day of September next coming which said Deed of Mortgage this Memorial are witnessed by John MOSSEN[13] of Armagh in the County of Armagh Gent and Henry HUTCHINSON[14] of the same Innkeeper.

Signed sealed in the presence of

John Mossen

Henry Hutchinson

James OLIVER

The above named Henry HUTCHISON make his oath that he saw the above named to the Reverend Andrew OLIVER Andrew OLIVER and John OLIVER and also James OLIVER duly execute the Deed of Mortgage where the above writing is memorialized and also saw the said James OLIVER sign and seal the memorial and that this deposition is subscribing witness to said deed and memorial and that the name Henry HUTCHINSON subscribed as a witness to said deed and memorial is this deponent's name and is his own proper handwriting sworn before me at Armagh in the County of Armagh the second day of August 1785 (A master [?] for s^d County] and I know the Deponent

John Mossen

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Joseph MGeough} Justices

Reg^d 10 Aug 1785

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[1] Reverend Andrew OLIVER of Enniskillen in the County of Fermanagh. A Rev. Andrew OLIVER is recorded in the 1788 Enniskillen poll of electors. He is also a likely fit with the Andrew OLIVER who had a will probated in 1793 at Enniskillen, Fermanagh and whose occupation was “clerk”. I suspect that he was a brother of the William OLIVER who died as a bachelor intestate. I also suspect that he had a son named Andrew OLIVER who is mentioned in the January 20, 1807 DEED 580-365-398643.

[2] Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh.

[3] Andrew OLIVER of Newtownhamilton in the County of Armagh, Gent. (d. bet 1776-1779) He was probably a son of John OLIVER of Tullymore (d1772). He was a distiller and husband of Elinor and they had many children whose names I do not yet have. SOURCES: September 8, 1777 Deed 324-274-214815 and June 10, 1782 DEED: 345-89-232259.

[4] John OLIVER of Tullymore in said county of Armagh Gent. He was the father of Rebecca OLIVER & Andrew OLIVER and probably was the brother of William OLIVER –the bachelor who died intestate. A John OLIVER of Tullymore died in 1772 (SOURCE: Will Probate). A Deed dated January 10^th, 1766 mentions John OLIVER of Tullymore, linen draper (SOURCE: PRONI D/288/41).

[5] Tullymore, in the Parish of Armagh. SEE My web page under Maps for Tullymore. Much of the hunches may differ from this document – it is all a work in progress.

[6] James OLIVER. Augsebragh. I can’t yet place him. NOTE:

In the same time frame as this lease, PRONI Freeholder records of 1796 show a James OLIVER as well as a John OLIVER leasing land at Tulnaloobe (AKA Tullynaloob) – a townland in the Parish of Drumkeeran, Co. Fermanagh.
Also, a James OLIVER of Armagh leased lands in 1818 & 1828 in Lislooney, Parish of Tynan, Co. Armagh.
There is also a James OLIVER (1791-1863) in the Nicholson OLIVER line from Co. Tyrone (many family names are the same).
James & Mark OLIVER leased land at Lismullydown, Parish of Aghaloo, Co. Tyrone in 1796 as did Robert OLIVER in nearby Aughasallagh.
Interestingly, in the records of 1^st Presbyterian Church, Armagh there is a record of the birth of a James OLIVER(1715), son of Andrew OLIVER. This might make him a son of Andrew OLIVER of Newtownhamilton, the distiller.
SOURCE: The Irish Ancestry of Henry William OLIVER, Henry OLIVER Rea, 1959 has a James OLIVER, son of Stephen born in 1750, in Tattykeel or Corchoney Townland, Parish of Kildress, Co. Tyrone.
Corporation Books of Armagh show Joseph OLIVER (1768) and Arthur & James OLIVER (1769) as Church Wardens. SOURCE: T/960/1 Pillow Manuscript.
See also: PRONI T/933/1. 1785 Mullantur, Co. Armagh.
T/933/1 - 1785 Rental of Tullymore, Mary & James OLIVER.

[7] Aghsebrach. I have cobbled together this spelling from notes made from the Memorial as well as a perusal of a copy of the deed. I do not know what the name of this townland might be in modern nomenclature. One name that comes close is: Aughantarragh, Parish of Eglish; My best guess is Armaghbrague in the southernmost tip of the Parish of Lisnadill and with Tullyvallen (Parish of Newtownhamilton) on its southern border.

[8] William OLIVER of Mullintur. I suspect he was the unmarried son of William OLIVER 1670-1726 of Mullinture. This would make him a brother of Mary OLIVER (who married James DOBBIN), John OLIVER of Tullymore and Rev. Andrew OLIVER of Enniskillen).

[9] Mullinture AKA Mullanture, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh. It is bordered on the east by Tullysarren. I believe that a river is the border between the two townlands – but need to verify this. The OLIVER name is first mentioned in 1703 in connection with Mullinture in Thomas Ashe, Memoir of the Archbishop of Armagh. In that record, the names of William, Mary & Jane OLIVER are mentioned. It was described as very good land, This is Lyme-Stone-Land and bears good Corne.

[10] Tullysaron AKA Tullysaran, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh. 100 acres townland on the eastern border of Mullintur. In the January 20^th, 1807 DEED 580-365-398643, there is reference to 96 acres 1 rood English measure at Tullysarren leased to William OLIVER, lands previously held by Samuel KNIPE.

[11] William OLIVER – I would assume this to be the bachelor William OLIVER who died intestate. I would also assume that he is the son of John OLIVER of Tullymore, hence a brother of the Andrew OLIVER of Newtownhamilton as well as a brother of the John OLIVER who married Catherine Whiteside.

[12] See also PRONI T/960/1 Pillow Manuscript Rent Book of Armagh Estates of Earl of Charlemount 1^st May 1765 Tullysarren. William OLIVER £19.1.11.5

[13] John MOSSEN of Armagh in the County of Armagh Gent.

[14] Henry HUTCHINSON of Armagh in the County of Armagh Innkeeper