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Sharon Oddie Brown. January 21, 2012

 

Notes from Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich Memorial Library

Some records of OLIVERS in Co. Armagh of the Roman Catholic faith.

 

MARRIAGES (NOTE: Names in red are ones where I switched the column they were in or where I corrected what I assume were other transcription errors. I have also highlighted rows with colours in order to highlight family groupings.

#

1

A

Parish

B

Date

C

Husband

Surname

D

Husband

Forename

E

Husband

Address

F

Husbands

Father

Surname

G

Husbands Father

Forename

H

Witness

Forename

I

Witness

Surname

J

Wife

Surname

K

Wife

Forename

L

Wife

Address

2

Armagh

1911 Jun 13

Oliver

Francis[i]

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

James

Lynch

Donaldson

Esther

Umgola

3

Armagh

1926 Sep 21

Oliver

John

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Francis

Donnelly

McGlone

Susan

Lurgyvallen

4

Armagh

1896 Sep 13

Oliver

John

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Francis

Oliver

Donnelly

Margt

Ballycrummy

5

Armagh

1863 May 8

Oliver

John

 

Oliver

John

Bernard

McCormick

Rox

Margaret

 

6

Loughgall

1926 Jun 10

Oliver

John Anthony

 

Oliver

John Anthony

Malachy

McGlone

McGill

Mary

 

7

Armagh

1924 May 26

Oliver

Joseph

Navan St. Armagh

Oliver

Joseph

Ernest

Flood

MacKey

Catherine

Dawson St., Armagh

8

Armagh

1906 Sep 26

Oliver

Patrick

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Jas

Oliver

Donnelly

Sarah

Tullynickle[ii]

9

Armagh

1926 Aug 18

Oliver

Thomas James

Navan St.

Oliver

Joseph

James

McAnerney

McCormack

Mary

Cathedral Close

10

Armagh

1858 Jun 18

Oliver

William

 

Oliver

 

Peter

McCuskey

Donaghey

Mary

 

 


 

 

 

#

1

M

Wife’s fathers Name

N

Wife’s Fathers Forename

O

Witnesss 2 Forename

P

Witness

2 Surname

Q

NOTES

2

Donaldson

John

Lizzie

McGlone

J W BRADY/DISP BANNS/ PERSON DESCESTED PHILIPSTOWN[iii]/FTHRS & WTNS FROM BALLYCRUMMY/UMGOLA

 

3

McGlone

Thomas

Margt

McGlone

M MCGLONE/DISP BANNS P FINNEGAN/FTHRS FROM SCOTLAND/LURGYVALLEN/WTNS FROM THE ROCKS/LUR/

 

4

Donnelly

Henry

Annie

Kiley

P. FAGAN/DISP BANN/FTHRS FROM BALLYCRUMMY/WTNS FROM BALLYCRUMMY/ARMAGH

 

5

Rox

 

Margaret

Loughran

J RAFFERTY//.

 

 

6

McGill

 

Irene

McGill

J DUNNE/MARR IN ST. PATRICKS CH LOUGHGALL/

 

 

7

MacKey

Joseph

Mary

Flood

E O’CALLAGHAN BANNS J WARD/FTHRS FROM NAVAN ST/DAWSON ST/WTNS FROM BANBROOK/

 

8

Donnelly

John

Annie

Kane

P SHEERIN/DISP BANNS/ FTHRS FROM BALLYCRUMMY/TULLYNICKLE/WTNS FROM BALLYCRUMMY/MILFORD

 

9

McCormin

Thomas

Cassie

Donnelly

M MCGUONE/ DISP BANNS P FINNEGAN/SPSE THR FROM NAVAN ST/WTNS1 FROM LEGAR HILL/

 

 

10

Donaghy

 

Anne

McDonnell

J CAMPBELL//

 

 

 


BAPTISMS:

#

1

A

Parish

B

Baptised

C

Surname

D

1st Name

E

Address

F

Father Surname

G

Father 1st name

H

Mother Maiden

I

Mother 1st name

J

SP1 1st Name

K

SP 1 Surname

L

SP2 Surname

2

Armagh

1866 Jan4

Oliver

Anne

 

Oliver

John

Rocks

Margaret

Bernard

Rocks

Sarah

3

Armagh

1910 Nov 6

Oliver

Anne

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

John

Oliver

Mary

4

Armagh

1841 Aug 21

Oliver

Benjamin

 

Oliver

William

Mallon

Ann

Catherine

McKenna

 

5

Armagh

1908 Jun 3

Oliver

Henry

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

Patrick

McAneney

Kathleen

6

Armagh

1864 Jan 22

Oliver

James

 

Oliver

John

Rocks

Margaret

Simon

Rocks

Margaret

7

Armagh

1868 Feb 2

Oliver

John

 

Oliver

John

Rocks

Margaret

James

McGlone

Catherine

8

Armagh

1898 Jul 13

Oliver

John

Primrose Hill

Oliver

Joseph[iv]

McCoy

Mary

James

Oliver

Anne

9

Armagh

1897 Jul 10

Oliver

John

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

John

Kane

Anne

10

Armagh

1898 Aug 13

Oliver

John

Primrose Hill

Oliver

Joseph

McCoy

Mary

James

Oliver

Anne

11

Armagh

1897 Jul 10

Oliver

John[v]

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

John

Kane

Anne

12

Armagh

1874 Jul 30

Oliver

Joseph

 

Oliver

John

Rox

Aka Rocks

Margaret

Patrick[vi]

Rox

Aka Rocks

Sarah

13

Armagh

1899 Mar 19

Oliver

Margaret

The Navan

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

Thomas

Maglone

Mary

14

Armagh

1899 Mar 19

Oliver

Margaret[vii]

The Navan

Oliver

James

Donnelly

Margaret

Thomas

Maglone

Mary

15

Armagh

1901 Jan 13

Oliver

Mary

Ballycrummy

Oliver

John

Donnelly

Margaret

Peter

Mallon

Bridgid

16

Armagh

1824 Oct 4

Oliver

Mary Anne

 

Oliver

Bernard

Courtney

Mary

Susan

Quigley

 

17

Armagh

1870 Jun 5

Oliver

Patrick

 

 

John

Rocks

Margaret

Patrick

Rocks

Sarah

18

Armagh

1893 Mar 3

Oliver

Patrick

 

Oliver

Patrick

McCurdie

Margaret

Anne

Smyth

 

19

Armagh

1893 Apr 3

Oliver

Patrick

Farmacaffley[viii]

Oliver

Patrick

McCardie

Mary Anne

Anne

Smyth

 

20

Armagh

1909 Mar 7

Oliver

Patrick

Banbrook Hill

Oliver

Patrick

Donnelly

Sarah

James

Lynch

Annie

21

Armagh

1844 Aug 31

Oliver

Sarah

 

Oliver

William

Mallon

Anne

Maryanne

Kearny

NR

22

Armagh

1824 Mar 14

Oliver

Saranne

 

Oliver

James

McGeogh

Isabelle

Elizabeth

Fox[ix]

 

23

Armagh

1876 Oct 5

Oliver

Simon Francis

 

Oliver

John

Rocks

Margaret

Bernard

Rocks

Sarah

24

Armagh

1879 Mar 20

Oliver

Thomas

 

Oliver

John

Rocks

Margaret

Patrick

Rocks

Sarah

25

Armagh

1900 Oct 12

Oliver

Thomas James

Umgola

Oliver

Joseph

McCoy

Mary

James

Oliver

Alice

26

Armagh

1900 Oct 12

Oliver

Thomas James

Umgola

Oliver

Joseph

McCoy

Mary

James

Oliver

Alice

27

Armagh

1846 Jun 14

Oliver

William

 

Oliver

William

Valentine

Betty

John

McGlone

Mary

28

Armagh

1872 May 31

Oliver

Bernard

 

Oliver

John

Rock

Margaret

Bernars

Rock

Susan

 


 

#

1

M

SP2 Surname

N

SP2 Address

O

Notes

2

Rocks

 

FR J MCCRYSTAL

3

Kane

 

FR J BRADY

4

N/R

 

ILLEGITIMATE/FTHR IS A PROTESTANT

5

Hart

 

FR J DOWNEY

6

Laughran

 

FR CHARLES M QUINN

7

O’Neil

 

FR C. QUINN

8

Kean

 

REV P FAGAN

9

Kane

 

FR P FAGAN/MARRIED TO SUSAN MCGLONE ON 21/09/1926 WTNS WERE FRANCIS DONNELLY & MARGARET MCGLONE/BY M MCGUONE

10

Kean

 

FR P FAGAN/MARRIED ELIZABETH EARLEY AT ST PAULS BELFAST ON THE 03/11/1918

11

Kane

 

REV P FAGAN

12

Rox

 

 

13

Maglone

 

FR J MCNALLY [E]

14

Maglone

 

FR J MCNALLY

15

Hagan

 

FR P SHEERIN

16

NR

 

 

17

Rocks

 

FR J MCCHRYSTAL

18

NR

 

FR F MCELVOGUE

19

NR

 

ILLEGITIMATE/FR MCELVOGUE

20

Kane

 

FR P LOUGHRAN

21

NR

 

FATHER NON CATHOLIC ILLEGITIMATE

22

NR

 

ILLEGITIMATE

23

Rocks

 

FR P MCGEENEY

24

Rocks

 

FR P MCGEENEY

25

McCoy

 

REV J BRADY/MARRIED MARY MCCORMACK 18/08/1926 IN ARMAGH CATHEDRAL

BY REV M MCGUONE CC WITNESS JAMES MCANERNRY & CARRIS DONNELLY

26

McCoy

 

REV W BRADY

27

Campbell

 

 

28

Rock

 

 

 

 

 


At present, as far as I can get with the OLIVER-ROCK branch of the family tree recorded in these records is as pasted beneath. The trick will be to find out the name of the OLIVER who is at the head of this part of the family tree. I suspect it will be a John OLIVER.

 

If we could prove this, we may be able to click him into the larger OLIVER tree which stretched back to the late 1600s and originated with an early Huguenot settlement. Initially, most of the related OLIVERs in this region were Presbyterian, Quaker, or Church of Ireland. I do not know when or how frequently the switch to Catholic happened.

 

With respect to other ROCK-OLIVER connections in this time frame, it is also worth noting that William OLIVER (abt 1810-1873) left £50 to Sarah ROCK, his housekeeper, and also his niece described him as having died unchurched – she didn’t use the word: unmarried.

         

 

 1   Unnamed Oliver  

........ 2   John Oliver b: Abt. 1841  d: 17 Dec 1909 in of Tullymore

............  +Margaret Rock b: Abt. 1839 m: 08 May 1863 in Parish of Armagh

................... 3   James Oliver b: 21 Jan 1864 

................... 3   Anne Oliver b: 02 Jan 1866 in Tullymore. Parish of Armagh, County Armagh 

................... 3   John Oliver b: 20 Jun 1868 in Tullymore, Parish of Armagh, Co. Armagh 

.......................  +Margaret Donnelly b: in of Ballycrummy m: 13 Sep 1896 in Parish of Armagh

............................. 4   John Oliver b: Jul 1897 in Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh 

............................. 4   Mary Oliver b: Jan 1901 in Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh 

............................. 4   Anne Oliver b: Nov 1910 in Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh 

............................. 4   Henry Oliver b: Jun 1908 in Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh 

............................. 4   Margaret Oliver b: Mar 1899 in The Navan, Co. Armagh 

................... 3   Patrick Oliver b: 04 Mar 1870 in of Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh 

.......................  +Sarah Donnelly b: in of Tullynickle, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh m: 26 Sep 1906 in Parish of Armagh

............................. 4   Patrick Oliver b: Mar 1909 in Banbrook Hill 

................... 3   Bernard Oliver b: 30 May 1872 

................... 3   Simon Francis Oliver b: 04 Oct 1876 in of Ballycrummy  d: 10 Jun 1952

.......................  +Esther Donaldson b: in from Offalay or Umgola m: 13 Jun 1911 in Parish of Armagh

............................. 4   John Oliver b: 1912  d: Abt. 2001

............................. 4   James Oliver b: 22 Sep 1916 

.................................  +Elizabeth McCrilly b: 13 Jul 1921 m: 1945

........................................ 5   Living Oliver  

............................................  +Living wife  

............................. 4   Patrick Oliver   d: Abt. 2001

................... 3   Thomas Oliver b: 19 Mar 1879 in Navan, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh 

................... 3   Joseph Oliver b: Jul 1874 

........ 2   James Oliver  

................... 3   Martha Oliver b: 28 Aug 1848 in Navan, Parish of Eglish, Co. Armagh   

 

In trying to go one step further back than where the baptismal records can take us, I have also looked up some of the aforementioned names in the notes I have from the Deeds Registry in Dublin.

 

There are a few ROCK mentions in some Deeds (although I have yet to get to them). Since it seems that Margaret ROCK had a brother, Patrick, it may be that their father was also named Patrick ROCK (NOTE: The name also shows up as ROX and ROCKS):

 

  1. DEED: 62-507-43889 Patrick ROCK-DAWSON 1730-1745

2.    DEED: 73-468-52031 1730-1745 ROCK, Patrick-HANNING

3.    DEED: 258-140-168460 1766 Nov 6 ROCK, Patrick-JACKSON 1730-1745 Vicars Choral of Cathedral Church of St. Patricks, Dublin of 1st part & Revd JACKSON of Forkhill lodge, Co. Armagh Esq. demised to JACKSON land south of Kings Street near St. Stephens Green als Hoggin Green 285’ on North to Kings Pavement 250’ on east & 306’ on south to Rapparce Alley for Rev. Richard JACKSON. Witness Samuel AIKIN, Wm SANDERSON servant, Francis WHYTE of Redhills, Co. Cavan, Esq.

 

The OLIVER M’GLONE connection is also interesting. In The Belfast Newsletter on Aug 6-9 1782 and also Jan 8 1798 a Thomas M’GLONE shows up as a linen trader. Both Arthur & Benjamin OLIVER are also signatories to the earlier press release. There are four M’GLONE mentions in deeds that connect either to OLIVERs or to townlands where the OLIVERs were known to hold leases (and there may be more – I didn’t search under that surname)

 

  1. A Bernard M’GLONE was a witness to an 1805 Deed between William & James OLIVER of Co. Tyrone. SEE:  http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/1805Aug21-JamesOLIVER-WilliamOLIVER.html
  2. Another Deed: 402-499-265492 between James MAXWELL of City of Armagh  Gent &  & Thomas Maglone of Navan  Co. Armagh Farmer - re a farm commonly called Bradfords Bog  33 Acres in Townland of Tamletts, Co. Armagh. NOTE: There is a Tamlaght in both Eglish & Derrynoose Parishes.
  3. DEED: 600-166-408525 on Jan 30, 1808 between Thomas MGLONE of Navan, Co. Armagh, farmer of 1st part & rev. Francis GERVAISE of Ballynahonemore ... Thomas MGLONE ... , Thomas MGLONE ... 334.8.6 ... land formerly called Bradford’s Land containing 33A. WITNESS J[ohn?] NOBLE of Armagh
  4. DEED: 600-167-408526 .  on March 21, 1808 between McSHERRY-GERVAISE 1739-1810. Edward McSHERRY of Newry, Co. Down dealer of 1st part & Rev Thomas GERVAISE of Ballynahonemore, Co. Armagh reciting lease 24 Mar 1788 James MAXWELL then of Armagh demised to Thomas MGLONE ... Bradford Land 33 acres.

 

 

The only DONNELLY mention that I have found is a deed I have yet to look up:

 

  1. DEED:535-138-350158 for Tullymore & Mill sometime between 1739-1810 between DAVIS and DONNELY

 

 



[i] I had the pleasure of Meeting Francis OLIVER & Esther in 2003 and have since been able to cobble together some of his family tree, albeit not the part most interesting to me – who was his great-great grandfather. I suspect it was a John OLIVER..

[ii] Tullynickle is in Eglish Parish, Co. Armagh. The KANE family ended up with the Tullynickle property in the 1900s, I suspect as a result of the marriage btw WiIlliam KANE & Anne OLIVER in 1861.

[iii] The Philipstown reference is intriguing because of the long term DONALDSON presence at Philipstown, Co. Louth.

[iv] It is possible that this Joseph OLIVER is a son of John OLIVER & Margaret ROCK since there was one born in 1874, but I have no proof of his parents’ names at this time.

[v] This is a repeat of record #9.

[vi] This Patrick ROX aka ROCKS is likely to be Margaret’s brother (whose names is known to us) or her father (whose name is not yet known to us). A Sarah ROCK was the housekeeper mentioned in the will of William OLIVER.of Killynure.

[vii] This is a repeat of record #13 – except that the father’s name is given as James OLIVER. Otherwise all other information is identical..

[viii] Farmacaffley is a Parish with long-term OLIVER connections going back to 1664 where an Andrew OLIVER was recorded on the Hearth Rolls. Also, page 11 of Irish Ancestry of Henry (William) OLIVER mentions a William OLIVER born about 1670 possibly at SherranmcAghully (aka Farmacaffley).

[ix] I wonder if “Fox” should have been “Rox”?

 

 

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