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I have included the will of John OLIVER on this page, as well as photos showing his son Simon Francis OLIVER and some of his family. Although the known descendants of Simon Francis OLIVER who live in or near the City of Armagh are all Roman Catholic, their DNA is a perfect match with my OLIVER family DNA who were all Protestant (Presbyterian as well as Church of Ireland) and were likely descended from Huguenots. NOTE: The rootsweb version of this tree includes more details about sources, and will always be the most recently updated version.
Sharon Oddie Brown May 16, 2013
Updated June 10, 2017. KANE-OLIVER connections added. Many members of this branch of the family emigrated to America and Canada in the early 20th century.
NOTE
: It is possible that the family of Margaret ROCK may have come from Cladybeg, home to the McCULLAGHs who also married into OLIVERs. It is also possible that she was a sister of the Sarah ROCK(s) who was housekeeper to William OLIVER of Killynure. See his 1873 will. She seems to have died at Ballynagalliagh, Parish Lisnadill in 1884, and may have held a small lease in 1856 at Ballycoffee, Parish Lisnadill near Simon ROCKS. (I need to do more deeds work on these townlands)

Based on the marriage record at the Cardinal O'Fiaiche Library, the father of John OLIVER b abt 1841 is another John OLIVER. If this record is not accurate (not imposible), then it is possible that John OLIVER's father might have been a James OLIVER, son of Benjamin OLIVER and Elizabeth BRADFORD. Although I had recorded that James OLIVER as dead in 1825, I now believe that cannot be verified. Because of some DNA data as well as some family land transactions, we have proven that there is a strong family connection between the OLIVERs of Ballycrummy and the OLIVERs of Killynure.

Update June 21, 2017. I have added Francis OLIVER (1902-1993) of Birmingham
Update June 22 & 24th. Added more thanks to 1911 Census (OLIVER was transcribed in that census as OLEVER, and hence had been missed in my earlier searches). Several emails from Mary WHELAN née OLIVER opened new doors of enquiry. Also, I now have a copy of the wedding cert of John OLIVER (1897-aft 1911) and Susan McGLONE (1908-?). Her parents were Thomas McGLONE and William DONALDSON. This is a fit with other conversations I have had with the Ballycrummy family in Armagh.
Update: June 25th and June 29th. Thanks to eagle-eyed "cousin" Maria Beattie, I have removed an inaccurate death date for the John OLIVER who died at Motherwell, Scotland. I had misread a sentence in an email from Mary Whelan. I have also added more BMDs, as well as Francis OLIVER's confirmation of the placement of Margaret TONER in the family tree. More to come, I suspect.
Update December 11, 2017. Updated Joseph OLIVER birth: 21 Nov 1903

Olivers of Ballycrummy and environs

Oliver family from Ballycrummy Oliver family from Ballycrummy

L-R child- Aideen TONER; Maggie TONER née OLIVER; Father CLANCY; (boy in front) Jim TONER - son of Maggie TONER née OLIVER, Esther OLIVER née DONALDSON; Josephine OLIVER, daughter of Simon Francis & Esther OLIVER, died of a bicycle accident; Oliver TONER. Photo dated 1951. Thanks to Francis & Maureen OLIVER.
NOTE: An email in 2014 from Laura TONER mentions that Oliver TONER was likely her father known as Francis Oliver TONER. He died Feb 2014. Her uncle Jim TONER died before that. Another email in 2013 from Jo COOK says that the photo likely predates the birth of her mother Esther Josephine TONER, daughter of Maggie TONER née OLIVER.
NOTE: I had suspected that Margaret TONER née OLIVER was a daughter of Simon Francis OLIVER. This has been confirmed by Francis OLIVER of Ballycrummy, and she has been added beneath to the family tree.

L-R Francis OLIVER; Elizabeth OLIVER née McCRILLY; Esther OLIVER (daughter of James OLIVER & Elizabeth McCRILLY); Simon Francis OLIVER (1876-1952);Marie OLIVER; with Josephine OLIVER. NOTE: "Aunt Josephine OLIVER, daughter of Simon Francis & Esther OLIVER, died of a bicycle accident".
PHOTO dated 1951. Thanks to Francis & Maureen OLIVER.

 

OLIVERS of BALLYCRUMMY

 

See also Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich Memorial Library for much of the original source material that enabled my start on this tree. Kieran McConville deserves significant credit for starting me on the right path.

 

1 John OLIVER b: Abt 1841 d: 17 Dec 1909 NOTE: Oral history from the branch of the family in Birmingham indicates that he converted to the Catholic faith. His father, according to his marriage cert, was a John OLIVER.

  + Margaret ROCK b: Abt 1837 d: 23 Aug 1905 m 8 May 1863 St. Patrick's Cathedral (RC), City of Armagh.

    2 James OLIVER b: 21 Jan 1864 d: 22 Apr 1913

    2 Anne OLIVER b: 2 Jan 1866 d: 24 Aug 1925 NOTE: I have more work to do here, but it seems from the census records that she & her children were Presbyterian. Much of the info I have comes from some legal documents concerning land transfers, and the ages are not always in agreement with the census records.

      + William KANE d: 9 Nov 1891 m 26 Aug 1861.

        3 Thomas KANE d: 27 Apr 1934

        3 John KANE

        3 Margaret KANE

          + John SEMPEY

        3 Elizabeth KANE

          + Thomas BURNS d: Aft 1943

            4 Anna Irwin BURNS

              + William FLANAGAN

            4 Elizabeth BURNS

        3 William KANE

        3 Charles KANE

        3 Samuel KANE

        3 Jane Anne KANE b: 1878 d: Aft 1962

    2 John OLIVER b: 1 Feb.1868 d: Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland

      + Margaret DONNELLY b. abt 1876 Ballycrummy d 16 Jul 1917 at Ballycrummy.

        3 John OLIVER b: 9 Jul 1897 d. btw 1976-1977 Armagh. m. Sep 21 1926 Susan McGLONE of Lurgyvallen. He went to America, and then returned. He died at St. Luke's Mental Hospital,. Co. Armagh. She remarried.

            4 Living Son - name not yet known

        3 Margaret OLIVER b: 18 Mar 1899 d: 5 Apr 1899

        3 Mary OLIVER b: Jan 1901 d: 14 Dec 1905

        3 Francis OLIVER b. Dec 8, 1902 Ballycrummy, Co. Armagh d. Dec 1993 Birmingham, England.

          + Unknown Name

               4 Unnamed Baby buried at Yardley Cemetery

               4 Terence OLIVER 1945-2015

          + Jane CONNOR b. 28 Jan 1916 Birmingham m. 8 Aug 1955. d. 24 Apr 2013

               4 Living OLIVER

        3 Margaret OLIVER b.13 Apr 1905 d. (probably) btw 1911-1925

        3 Henry OLIVER b: Jun 1908 d. btw 1976-1977 Belfast

              +. Lily (last name not known)

               4 Unnamed Daughter.

        3 Anne OLIVER b: Nov 1910 d. 23 Dec 1910

    2 Patrick OLIVER b: 4 Mar 1870 d: Aft 1911

      + Sarah DONNELLY b: Abt 1874

        3 Patrick OLIVER b: Mar 1909

    2 Bernard OLIVER b: 30 May 1872

    2 Joseph OLIVER b: 30 Jul 1874 d: Aft 1911

      + Mary Jane MCCOY b: 1877 d: Aft 1911 NOTE: I Still need to look up her birth cert.

        3 John OLIVER b: 13 Aug 1898

          + Elizabeth EARLY

        3 Thomas James OLIVER b: 12 Oct 1900

        3 Joseph OLIVER b: 21 Nov 1903

          + Catherine MACKEY

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living HAMILL

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Hugh OLIVER d: 22 Sep 1991

                  +  KATHLEEN d: 13 Apr 2005

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living SHERRY

                5 Stephen SHERRY b: Abt 1976 d: Abt 1996

                5 Living SHERRY

        3 Francis OLIVER b: Abt 1910

    2 Simon Francis OLIVER b: 4 Oct 1876 d: 10 Jun 1952

      + Esther DONALDSON b 12 Jan 1881 Ballinahonemore, Co. Armagh d: 6 Jun 1950 (daughter of John DONALDSON & Margaret WELSH)

        3 James OLIVER b: 22 Sep 1916 d: 19 Nov 2009

          + Elizabeth MCCRILLY b: 13 Jul 1922 d: 13 Aug 2012

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living LENNON

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

                5 Living DURKIN

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living SHERIDAN

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

                5 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living LEONARD

                5 Living LEONARD

                5 Living LEONARD

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living MCKENNA

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living BLACK

                5 Living BLACK

                5 Living BLACK

            4 Mary Bridget OLIVER b: 1963 d: 1963

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Patrick OLIVER b: 1925 d: 11 Sep 2001

          + Living M'GLONE

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

                5 Living RICE

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Living MCCARTEN

                5 Kevin MCCARTEN b: 18 Sep 1982 d: 16 May 1999

            4 Cathal OLIVER b: 31 Aug 1955 d: 15 May 2013

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Francis OLIVER d: 22 Oct 1987

          + Phyllis MCCOY d: 22 May 1999

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 John Anthony OLIVER b: 1912 d: 26 Oct 1999

          + Mary Eliza MCGILL b: 1908 d: 9 Oct 1992

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

            4 Living OLIVER

              + Kathryn d: 10 Mar 2005

                5 Patricia OLIVER d: 17 Aug 2007

                5 Bernadette OLIVER b: 1975 d: 8 Feb 2004

                  + Living MCCANN

            4 Living OLIVER

        3 Josephine OLIVER d: 8 Feb 1963

        3 Margaret OLIVER

              + TONER

            4 Francis Oliver TONER d. Feb 2014

            4 James aka Jim TONER d. bef Feb 2014

            4 Living TONER aft 1951

    2 Thomas OLIVER b: 19 Mar 1879 d: 24 Aug 1880

 

 

1909 Will of John Oliver Ballycrummy

 

This is the last Will and Testament of me John Oliver[1] of Ballycrummy[2] in the County of Armagh made this sixth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and nine. I hereby revoke all wills by me at any time heretofore made, appoint my two sons Simon Francis Oliver[3] and James Oliver[4] to be my Executors and I direct that all my just debts and funeral and Testamentary Expenses shall be paid as soon as possible after my decease. I hereby give and bequeath unto my son James Oliver my farm of land in Ballycrummy, and will and bequeath unto my son Simon Francis my farm of land in Drumcoot[5] and I also allow him his share of my house in Ballycrummy if he works agreeable with my son James Oliver to work together as now for at least five years till the stock and chattels to be equally divided between my two sons Simon Francis and James Oliver of Ballycrummy. To my son Joseph Oliver[6] ten pounds. To my son Patrick Oliver[7] ten pounds. To James Lynch[8] a boy now living with me ten pounds provided he stays here for five years. All monies to be paid not later than five years. In case my son Simon Francis succeeds my son James my farm of land in Ballycrummy to go to my son Simon Francis. In case my son Simon Francis dies without heir my farm of land in Drumcoot to go to my son James Oliver and if my two sons Simon Francis and James dies without heir my two farms of (over) land to go to my son Patrick Oliver if alive if not my son John Oliver to succeed. The word succeed on Fourth line of first page should be survive instead of succeed as written.

 

John Oliver

 

Signed published and declared by the said Testator and for his last Will and Testament, in presence of me, who, at his request, in his presence, and in presence of each other, have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses.

George Loughran[9], Ballycrummy, farmer

Michael Garvey[10], Farmer, Ballyrath

 

Thomas W. Cowan[11] Deputy District Registrar.

Probate 6th April 1910.



[1] John OLIVER b abt 1841. Died December 17, 1909. He was probably born at Tullymore. His wife, Margaret ROCK was alive in 1901, but may have died before this will. More research is needed. It is possible that a son Bernard died as a child, since there is no further reference to him. Another son, John is not mentioned. He was married with children. There is also no mention of a daughter Anne, who died as a spinster. There is also no mention of the youngest son, Thomas.

[2] Ballycrummy, Parish Armagh, Co. Armagh. It is on the southern border of Drumcoote

[3] Simon Francis OLIVER born October 8, 1876 at Ballycrummy and probably died there on June 10th, 1952. He was the  7th child, and 6th son.

[4] James OLIVER, eldest son b. 1864.

[5] Drumcoot aka Drumcoote, Parish Armagh, Co. Armagh. it is on the northern border of Ballycrummy.

[6] Joseph OLIVER born July 30th, 1874. . He was the 6th child and 5th  son . He was already married with 3 children at the time of this will. It is possible that he already had his share of the estate.

[7] Patrick OLIVER born March 4, 1870 at Ballycrummy. He was already married with a son Patrick born in March of the year of this will. It is possible that he already had his share of the estate.

[8] James LYNCH. In the 1901 Census, he was age 17 and a nephew of Margaret OLIVER nee ROCK. The only James LYNCH this age in the 1911 Census is living in Lurgen.

[9] George LOUGHRAN (1865-). In the 1901 Census he is residing in Ballycrummy with his wife and 5 sons.

[10] Michael GARVEY (1871-) In the 1901 Census he is resient in Ballyrath with his wife, 3 daughters & 2 sons.

[11] Thomas W. COWAN (1841-) was a clerk in the Probate Office. In the 1901 Census, he lived at 25 Abbey St. with his wife and son (Harold G.S. COWAN was also a clerk in the Probate Office).

 

 

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