| Richard Binney Orr | 
          Margaret Anne Bethune | 
         
         
          Born: February 18, 1847 at Killough, County Down    | 
          Born: March 27,1853 in Glascow, Scotland | 
         
         
          | Died: November 29, 1921 | 
          Died: Oct 3, 1922 | 
         
         
          | Father: Rev. Samuel John Corbett ORR | 
          Father: Donald David BETHUNE | 
         
         
          | Mother: Mary MARTIN* | 
          Mother: Mary SMITH | 
         
       
      
       
      
         
          * NOTE: The parents of Mary MARTIN were 
              Allan MARTIN and JANE - information gleaned from a lawyer's search 
              to probate a will. This is what started me on this quest. According 
              to the letter, Mary MARTIN & Unnamed ORR had two children: Richard 
              Binney ORR and Letitia ORR.  | 
         
       
      THEIR TEN CHILDREN (at least three children died in 
        infancy - possibly also the last two as well.): 
        Evelyn Mary Bethune ORR, born November 10, 1872 
        Constance Margaret ORR, born April 23, 1875, died March 10, 1876 age one 
        year old. 
        William Cuthbert Binney ORR, born 1 Jul 1876 died 7 Feb 1877- age 7 months. 
         
        Gertrude Letitia ORR, born 25 Sep 1877 in QLD AUS. Remained single. Lived 
        with mother till her death.  
        Cuthbert Donald ORR, born June 21, 1879 Died in WWI, August 12, 1918, 
        Villers-Bretonneux, France 
        Kathleen Muriel ORR, born September 29, 1882 and died October 10, 1884 
        age two years old. 
        Edgar Cyril ORR, born January 30, 1886 
        Violet Irene ORR, born August 15, 1889 
        Sydney J. ORR. born1893 
        Richard J. ORR, born 1894 
      Most of the initial information on this family came from the following 
        letter which is in the collection of Dorothy Robertson. Apparently, Darkey 
        Flats, where R.B. Orr taught is 22 miles from Warwick, which in turn is 
        200 miles from Brisbane. The children’s ages as given above were 
        calculated from details in the letter. I'll let Richard tell his story 
        in his own words:  
      
         
           
              State School, 
                Darkey Flat, 
                Via Warwick, 
                Queensland, 
                Australia, 
              1st November, 1896 
                 
              
               
                 
                  
                 
               
                          I got your letter 
                of 16th Sept. yesterday, just 45 days after you wrote. 
                I was indeed very much surprised to get your letter. I thought 
                I was forgotten by all at home. I got one letter from Wm. John 
                Martin which I answered. I have made no money having just 
                been able to pay my way. I owe no debts & just manage to clothe, 
                feed & educate the family on my income. You will receive this 
                letter about Christmas & you can think of me when taking your 
                dinner, the snow and frost outside then, if God spares us to see 
                that time, I will have mine in the hottest part of our year with 
                the thermometer at 100 degrees in the room. This land of ours 
                is a beautiful, rich country. We sadly want men with a little 
                capital to come here & farm it. Our land laws are very reasonable 
                – Farms can be got from 80, 160, 235 acres at 2s.6 an acre & 
                10 years to pay; or other richer lands can be bought at from £1, 
                £1.5 up to £4.10 per acre from government at 20 years to pay it. 
                The grazing lands in large areas are rented from government on 
                a lease of years at about 3/4d the square mile. The place I am 
                living in now is both a farming & mining district. The mining 
                from what I have seen is not a profitable business except for 
                a few. The school teachers here are all government officials, 
                are all liable to be sent to any part of the colony at the Minister 
                of the Education Department order. Expenses are paid in first 
                class of train or steamer, and in the country you are provided 
                with house and water free. I receive about £3 a week the year 
                through. Where I am now is about 200 miles west from our capital 
                Brisbane. The nearest town is Warwick, 21 miles off. It is about 
                the size of what Ardglass was when I left home. It is the centre 
                of farming, mining and Station properties. The stations are the 
                large grazing lands rented from government & having thousands 
                of sheep or hundreds of cattle grazing on them. Horses and cattle 
                also sheep are very cheap compared with home prices. They are 
                not housed in winter although they have the feed there. Although 
                we have sharp frosts in July-August we have no snow. I have not 
                seen snow since I left home. Horses are so cheap that nearly everyone 
                in the country keeps one – we could not get about without them. 
                One wheat harvest in this country will begin in about a week from 
                now. Some of the farmers here tell me their crops look like a 
                30 to 40 bushels to the acre which will be sold to the flour mills 
                at 4s the bushel. After the wheat crop is taken off they will 
                immediately put in maize corn which will be harvested at the beginning 
                of winter. Thus they can easily get two good paying crops in the 
                year all without manure. The greatest drawback against the wheat 
                is rust and drought. I married in January 1871 and our family 
                living is 2 boys and 3 girls. There (sic) names and ages are Evelyn 
                Mary Bethune24 
                years this month; Gertrude Letitia19 
                years last Sept; Cuthbert Donald 
                17 years last June; Edgar Cyril 
                10 years last Jany, and Violet Irene 
                7 years last August. They are all at home except the eldest 
                boy whom I have apprenticed to the foundry in Warwick. This is 
                his second year there. Lettia Jane lives at MacKay about 800 miles 
                from here. She married before me. I have never been at their place 
                but she tells me it’s a nice place but very hot. They have cattle 
                and grow the sugar cane. She has a large family & paid me 
                a visit with two of them about 2 years ago. They are very well 
                off up to this last year when the “tick plague” and “redwater” 
                killed off thousands of cattle in that part of the colony. These 
                men who are graziers on a large scale are catted squatters. I 
                forgot to say all our railways are government property so far. 
                All we are short of is a larger population, such as factories 
                would give us. We can produce our food and clothing products in 
                abundance but we want the consumers. I am my dear uncle your affectionate 
                nephew, R.B. Orr H.T.
               
              
              
              
              
              
              
              
              
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      Thanks to Wendy JACK, I have information from the Queensland Indexes 
        to Births Marriages and Deaths which further verifies many of the dates. 
        Wendy also forwarded an archived email from Robyn M. Condliffe in the 
        NIR DOWN Listserve of 30 March 1999 as well as information from the Commonwealth 
        Graves Commission. This has added substantially to our references. We 
        know that at the time of Cuthbert Donald ORR's death (and at least until 
        March 1922), his parents Richard Binney ORR and Margaret Anne ORR lived 
        at 95 Herbert Street, Wickham Terrace, Brisbane, Queensland.  
      More recently, I have the following from Robyn M. Condliffe:  
      
        Richard Binney ORR, born 18 Feb 1847 in Killough Ardglass DOW IRL, 
          died 29 Nov 1921. Richard sailed to Australia with his sister Letitia 
          on the Winterthur . They left from the Port of London on 26 Aug 1868 
          & arrived December 1868. Richard & Letitia shared a second class 
          cabin.Richard was a Matriculated Student in Arts in Queen's College 
          Belfast Ireland & was employed as a private tutor in Ireland for 
          some time. On arrival in Australia he was an Assistant in Brisbane & 
          Rockhampton & then Head Master at Tingalpa Qld. 
           
          He married Margaret Ann BETHUNE, 2 Jan 1871 in Rockhampton QLD AUS, 
          born 27 Mar 1853 in Glasgow LKS SCT, (daughter of Donald David BETHUNE 
          and Mary SMITH) baptized 29 Jul 1853 in Glasgow LKS SCT, died 3 Oct 
          1922 in Ambulance Brisbane Gen Hospital. Margaret: Baptised as Mary 
          Ann Bethune, shipping on Gengis Khan as Mary Ann Bethune, but known 
          as Margaret Ann Bethune thereafter. See Qld School Teacher records & 
          Inquest Papers under separate folder. Living with daughter, Gertrude 
          Letitia Orr, 451 UpperEdward St Spring Hill, when she had the fall which 
          resulted in her death.Prior to 7 Aug 1922, resided at 91 Herbert St 
          Spring Hill for 2 years.Religion:- Presbyterian. 
         
       
      MISC: Cuthbert Donald ORR was born at North Pine River, 
        Queensland and had served in the 42nd Bn. Of Australian Infantry as a 
        private. He was 35 years old when he died. His record in the Roll of Honour 
        for the Australian War Museum backs up the information from the letter 
        that he worked in a foundry. It also mentions that he was a railway fireman 
        but was suspended after a collision between two trains at Roma, Queensland.He 
        was educated in four different State Schools in Queensland which may mean 
        that the family moved a lot. 
      Other bits possibly worth pursuing include the 1901 Census where a Samuel 
        ORR turns up in Ballee and a Widow Mary ORR 
        is mentioned in Forde Estate 1854 PRONI/D/B/1/2 and a William 
        ORR is recorded in Griffiths Valuation of County Down, 1863 
        at Drumaroad Townland, Loughinisland Parish with a lessor William 
        B. Forde. 
      At the James Cook University Library Archives there 
        are the Cook - Atherton Family Records (NOTE I do 
        not have ready access to these. If any one else does, I would be grateful. 
        Sharon Oddie Brown, August 2003.) 
       
         
          CA1 Folder containing xerox copies of:: 
            newspapers cuttings of Atherton family marriages, births and deaths,1873-1906 
             
            excerpts from Daily Mercury Friday 6 April 1962  
            excerpts from The Queensland Pioneer Book  
            1879 land lease  
            15 reference cards  
            CA2 Autograph book circa 1911 belonging to Vida Althea Cook  
            CA3 Birthday book circa 1886 belonging to Althea Atherton. MY NOTE: 
            Given what we got from JeannieMoorhead's Birthday Book, this might 
            be interesting!  
            CA4 Althea A Cook's bible dated 29 April 1924.  
            CA5 Vida Althea Cook's 1917 diary.  
          CA6 Folder containing:  
            6 xerox sheets of Aboriginal words  
            4 handwritten sheets of Aboriginal words  
            CA7 Queensland Trustees Ltd balance sheet and financial statements 
            for1950, 1951 and 1953.  
            CA8 7 pkts photographs.  
            CA9 2 postcard sized photographs.  
            CA10 3 postcards.  
            CA11 28 Christmas cards.  
            CA12 Envelope containing paper cuttings, childrens drawings, and paper 
            patterns.  
            CA13 9 Telegrams  
            CA14 49 letters to Mr. & Mrs. Cook.  
            CA15 16 letters to Mr. H.J. Parsons.  
            CA16 1 envelope containing spiritualist writings.  
         
       
      NOTE: Archives Location 2L  
      Additionally, there are the papers of James A. Gilmour 
         
        These papers belonged to the Gilmour/Lear/Fryer families from Mt Kelman, 
        Springsure in Central Queensland. James Gilmour was involved in the cattle 
        industry. The correspondence, certificates and ephemera within this collection 
        date from the 1870s. While not extensive, they provide some insight into 
        Queensland's early pioneering period. Archives Location 137L 
       
      NOTE: Apparently, there are two men named Rev Richard BINNEY - both sr. & 
        jr. who are buried in the Bangor Abbey Graveyard.  
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